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Multimedia-chat-meeting-2017-05-24

<pinchartl> hello  [15:55]
<uli___> hi
<kbingham> Morning!  [15:56]
<pinchartl> I see that everybody has provided status reports by e-mail,
	    excellent :-)  [15:57]
<pinchartl> I know that Jacopo is awake  [15:58]
<pinchartl> how about neg ?
<morimoto> Hi  [15:59]
<jmondi> Hello there
<pinchartl> let's still wait a few minutes for Niklas  [16:00]
<dammsan> hi guys  [16:01]
<pinchartl> hopefully Niklas will join us soon  [16:02]
<pinchartl> let's get started
<pinchartl> topics for today
<pinchartl> 1. Status check for the multimedia tasks
<pinchartl> 2. Additional tasks for Q2/2
<pinchartl> 3. Meeting in Japan
<pinchartl> anything else ?  [16:03]
<pinchartl> I'll take that as a no  [16:04]
<pinchartl> Topic 1. Status check for the multimedia tasks  [16:05]
<pinchartl> let's see who posted his report last...
* uli___ hides
<pinchartl> Ulrich, you can start :-)
<uli___> so i copied the blanche board's serial-multiplex max9260 setup using
	 wires and breakout boards  [16:06]
<uli___> and wrote a stub serdev driver to access it
<uli___> that works on the blanche board as well
<uli___> but that needed a little infrastructure (pin control)
<uli___> then i resent the gose video input series with updated dt bindings
								        [16:07]
<uli___> there are numerous variations of the adv7180
<uli___> but we only care about whether they have 3 or 6 inputs
<pinchartl> yes, it's painful :-/
<uli___> to i added two compat strings ("adv7180cp" and "adv7180st", iirc)
<uli___> to avoid bloat
<uli___> rob herring acked it  [16:08]
<uli___> next thing to do is to probe around the chromebook board to look for
	 a uart or something else we can use to get debug output
<geertu> uli___: To which variant does the existing "adi,adv7180" correspond
	 to?
<uli___> "unknown", i suppose
<pinchartl> I'll review the DT bindings  [16:09]
<pinchartl> (and the other patches)
<uli___> thank you  [16:10]
<pinchartl> next in report order, neg
<pinchartl> who doesn't seem to be here
<pinchartl> I'll copy his e-mail report for now
<pinchartl> since last meeting
<pinchartl>     - [PATCH v2 0/2] v4l2-async: add subnotifier registration for
	    subdevices
<pinchartl>     - [PATCH v2 0/2] media: entity: add operation to help map DT
	    node to media pad
<pinchartl>     - [PATCH v7 0/2] media: rcar-csi2: add Renesas R-Car MIPI
	    CSI-2 support
<pinchartl>     - [PATCH v2 00/17] rcar-vin: fix issues with format and
	    capturing
<pinchartl> for the next two weeks:  [16:11]
<pinchartl>   * Post:
<pinchartl>     - [PATCH v5 00/28] rcar-vin: Add Gen3 with media controller
	    support
<pinchartl>   * Attend OSS Japan and PeriPeri
<pinchartl> next  [16:12]
<pinchartl> jmondi:  [16:13]
<pinchartl> your turn
<jmondi> here I am
<jmondi> let me paste the email content a bit
<jmondi> since last meeting
<jmondi> - Migo-R machine init with new CEU driver: got both sensor probing
								        [16:14]
<jmondi> - Sensor drivers (ov772x and tw9910) removed soc_camera dependencies
<jmondi> - add support for multiple sub-devices to CEU driver
<jmondi> - started playing with notifiers on max9268 driver and 8-ch camera
	 setup  [16:15]
<jmondi> for the next two weeks
<jmondi> - max9682 startup sequence
<jmondi> - split max9268 and max9271 drivers
<jmondi> - add support for OF to CEU driver and use camera module on GR-Peach
	 board  [16:16]
<pinchartl> I'll add "- OSS Japan and multimedia meeting" to that list
<jmondi> ah, right!
<jmondi> I forgot I had to take a plane on Friday
<jmondi> :)
<jmondi> do we need to add accepted bug fixes to status report?  [16:17]
<pinchartl> no
<jmondi> ok, then --eot--
<pinchartl> Morimoto-san's script to pick them up works :-)
<jmondi> I knew it was like that for Core/IO, just wanted to make sure for mm
	 is the same...  [16:18]
<neg> sorry for beeing late
<morimoto> jmondi: my script is collecting bugfix patch from our related ML
<pinchartl> hi Niklas
<jmondi> morimoto: great!  [16:19]
<morimoto> jmondi: Thanks anyway
<pinchartl> next in report order, kbingham
<kbingham> I've been mostly working on ADV748x related tasks, and trying to
	   get it's dependencies sorted.  [16:20]
<kbingham> With that - I have done 4 spins of the V4L2 async matching updates,
	   which I think are now ready and are going through Sakari's branches
	   I believe.
<kbingham> I need to discuss with Niklas what we will do about the link issues
	   that are not created in RVin
<kbingham> but I think for now - just using static immutable links in the ADV
	   is fine.  [16:21]
<kbingham> I have also done two spins of the ADV748x driver itself with plenty
	   of review comments from both Laurent and Sakari which I have been
	   working through.
<kbingham> The last 'big tasks' for me before another repost is to try to get
	   regmap in place.
<kbingham> I have also done some review and maintenance work for the VSP1-DU
	   patches, and I have also got my remote access set up so I can boot
	   the Salvator-X without a wire in my laptop - This makes me happy :)
<kbingham>  - Next up for me is of course the Japan trip, I leave for London
	   on Thursday evening, and fly out Friday morning. And hopefully one
	   or two final posts of the ADV748x  [16:22]
<kbingham> -- eot --
<morimoto> ? kbingham: do you come to japan ?  [16:23]
<kbingham> morimoto: I am yes :)
<kbingham> morimoto: I need you to teach me how to speak Japanese in the next
	   3 days :)
<morimoto> OK, so, total 5 periperi from Europe ?
<morimoto> Laurent/Niklas/Marek/Jacopo/Kieran  [16:24]
<pinchartl> morimoto: correct
<morimoto> OK, thanks
<dammsan> will marek join the m/m meeting?
<pinchartl> dammsan: no, he will land on Tuesday evening I believe  [16:25]
<dammsan> ok, so monday lunch how many people? =)
<dammsan> 6 from our side?
<jmondi> o/
<morimoto> o/
<pinchartl> dammsan: 4 European people, you and Morimoto-san, and whoever else
	    Renesas sends to spy on our meeting :-)  [16:26]
<dammsan> gotcha, thanks
<pinchartl> next to go in report order, Morimoto-san
<morimoto> gotcha
<morimoto> A) What have I done since last time
<morimoto> - OF-graph for ALSA SoC was accepted ! I posted HDMI sound
	   patch-set to ML
<morimoto> - 24bit sound issue which was found by BSP team was solved. It was
	   data format issue on HW. I posted this patch to ML, and accepted.
<morimoto> - AGL sound issue which was found by BSP team was solved. It was
	   PulseAudio, and Audio-DMAC bugfix was needed. I posted patches.
								        [16:27]
<morimoto> - We could receive from Laurent about "DU and GPU synchronization
	   through fences". pinchartl: nThank you about that !
<morimoto> About peripelist diff, please check my mail
<morimoto> B) What I plan to do till next time
<morimoto> - continue to HDMI sound
<morimoto> - BSP team nurse for ADSP
<morimoto> C) Problems I have currently
<morimoto> No, sir
<morimoto> but, I want to know/get "8ch camera prototype" patch (or something)
	   somehow
<morimoto> --EOT--  [16:28]
<pinchartl> you're welcome for the DU and GPU synchronization. sorry about the
	    delay, I had to check that with DRM developers
<morimoto> OK, no problem. thank  [16:29]
<morimoto> s/thank/thans/
<pinchartl> regarding the 8-channels camera prototype
<pinchartl> http://elinux.org/R-Car/Tests:rcar-vin#Multi-channel_CSI-2_tests
<pinchartl> there's a link to the code
<pinchartl> git://linuxtv.org/pinchartl/media.git vin-gmsl-20170515
<morimoto> gr8
<morimoto> thanks
<morimoto> About DMA bugfix patch, I think it is pinchartl: territory  [16:31]
<pinchartl> isn't it a core team problem ? ;-)
<pinchartl> I will have a look
<morimoto> I can show you my cute smile if someone can review :)  [16:32]
<pinchartl> :-)
<pinchartl> now I realize that, once again, I forgot to put Magnus first
<pinchartl> dammsan: be careful, the third time you get under the radar, you
	    earn the sneaky scoundrel badge :-)
<pinchartl> and we seem to have lost Magnus  [16:33]
<morimoto> :)
<pinchartl> in the meantime, I'll go with my report (privilege of going last
	    as the team leader :-D)  [16:34]
<pinchartl> since last meeting
<pinchartl> - Looked into the DU fence issue reported by the BSP team
<pinchartl> The BSP team couldn't get fences working without additional (and
	    complex) patches to the DU driver. This came from the fact that
	    they wanted to use implicit fences, while DRM has switched to an
	    explicit fences model. Only explicit fences are implemented in the
	    DRM core. The GPU driver will need to switch to explicit fences
	    too.
<pinchartl> - Cache (DMA ATTR SKIP CPU) performance issue with VSP2
<pinchartl> Fixed in "[PATCH v2 0/5] R-Car DU: Fix IOMMU operation when
	    connected to VSP".
<pinchartl> - Handled administrative tasks (additional tasks negotiation,
	    Tokyo meeting preparation)  [16:35]
<pinchartl> - Started looking into H3 ES2.0 display support
<pinchartl> for the next two weeks  [16:36]
<pinchartl> - H3 ES2.0 DU support
<pinchartl> - OSS Japan and multimedia meeting
<pinchartl> - Vacation in Japan (from June the 4th to June the 17th)
<pinchartl> ah, I forgot to mention, I've also managed to get my Salvator-X
	    booting in my board farm, with power controlled through a
	    beaglebone black and a custom PCB to drive the external power
	    signal  [16:37]
<dammsan> good!!
<pinchartl> now I need to setup remote access to the management machine
<pinchartl> (which at the moment is unfortunately a power-consuming PC, but I
	    hope to change that at some point)  [16:38]
<pinchartl> that's it for me
<pinchartl> dammsan: anything to report ?
<pinchartl> seems we've lost Magnus again  [16:40]
<dammsan> not much except that i intend to review your IPMMU DU/VSP/FCP series
<pinchartl> ok
<dammsan> also
<kbingham> I'll ping Mauro to get an ack on those
<dammsan> i would like to know which boards i should bring to the meeting
	  space
<pinchartl> kbingham: you can ping him on IRC. tell him you're leaving for
	    Japan tomorrow and that you'd like to know whether he's OK before
	    that  [16:41]
<pinchartl> dammsan: that will be part of the third topic :-)
<dammsan> excellent!!
<pinchartl> Topic 2. Additional tasks for the second batch of Q2
<kbingham> pinchartl: Yes, the on IRC bit was the part I meant  - the Japan
	   trip is a good idea for a push :)
<pinchartl> has everybody received their SoW for Q2/2 ?  [16:42]
<uli___> not me
<dammsan> right, that's yet to be finalized  [16:43]
<dammsan> uli___: lets do that today so we can wrap it up at renesas office
	  tomorrow
<neg> pinchartl: I have received a SoW for TB/BT for rcar-vin, thanks for
      writing that upp :-)
<pinchartl> neg: you're welcome
<uli___> dammsan: ok
<dammsan> neg: we should discuss papers soon, prefer to do it before japan?
<jmondi> pinchartl: beside our chat, not yet in a 'formal' document  [16:44]
<neg> dammsan: whatever is convinient for you
<pinchartl> jmondi: I don't think you need a formal document for Q2
<pinchartl> you're still covered by a base contract only until end of Q2 as
	    far as I understand  [16:45]
<pinchartl> additional tasks fo Q3 will be discussed in Japan. uli___, we will
	    of course keep you involved in the process, likely through e-mail
	    due to the time zone difference
<pinchartl> uli___: if you have proposals for tasks you'd like to work on in
	    Q3, please send me an e-mail before Monday
<jmondi> pinchartl: then I'm fine with my base contract ending the 30th June
<dammsan> neg: will you show up at the meeting space on sunday night?  [16:46]
<dammsan> if so we can finalise discussions there
<dammsan> if not then later in the week is fine too  [16:47]
<pinchartl> any other comment regarding additional tasks ?
<neg> dammsan: that was my intention but then I saw the travel description :-)
      I will look at a map and make sure I can get ther and if so yes I will
      show up
<dammsan> neg: gotcha  [16:48]
<neg> dammsan: so if I get lost handeling it on Monday is also fine with me if
      it works for you
<dammsan> sure no worries  [16:49]
<pinchartl> this leads us to the next topic
<pinchartl> Topic 3. OSS Japan trip
<pinchartl> Tokyo is in less than a week ! are you all excited ? :-D
<dammsan> \o/  [16:50]
<kbingham> \o/ :D  [16:51]
<pinchartl> \o/
<neg> \o/  [16:52]
<pinchartl> ahem...
<pinchartl> :-)
<pinchartl> so
<pinchartl> we have a meeting space booked from the 28th (3pm) to the 31st
<kbingham> Did the meeting place address get posted ?
<pinchartl> yes, to periperi  [16:53]
<pinchartl> 2 Chome-4-3 Senzoku, Taitō-ku, Tōkyō-to 111-0031, Japan
<pinchartl> kbingham: welcome to your first Japanese lesson, street addresses
	    :-)
<kbingham> Thanks - I'll see if google-nav can get me there :)
<dammsan> since it is taito-ku i guess it is in between a pachinko place and a
	  soap land  [16:54]
<kbingham> My arrival 'capsule' is in Taito - so I'll be nearby
<pinchartl> (:-D
<dammsan> cool
<pinchartl> if I'm not mistaken, the address is pronounced "ni Chome shi san
	    Senzoku, Taitō-ku, Tōkyō-to  [16:55]
<pinchartl> that can be useful in a taxi
<dammsan> so far it seems like pinchartl wants to use the place for sleeping
<morimoto> dammsan: can you tell me meeting place name again ?
<morimoto> so-so-kan ?
<kbingham> 2 km away ... - 26 minute walk.
<pinchartl> morimoto: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/17013981
<dammsan> yuyutei
<kbingham> dammsan: I think if I'm able to adjust my conference hotel booking
	   I would like to too .
<dammsan> ok cool
<pinchartl> I haven't been able to adjust my Hilton booking yet  [16:56]
<pinchartl> I tried doing it online but the only option was to cancel and
	    rebook
<pinchartl> which is more expensive now, for two night less than the original
	    booking
<pinchartl> I contacted them by e-mail but they never replied  [16:57]
<morimoto> dammsan: pinchartl: thanks
<neg> yes that is why I have not alterd my Hilton booking... :-) If you figure
      out how to change it let me know
<pinchartl> if I can't I guess I'll have a choice between two rooms :-)
<pinchartl> which could actually be convenient, as I'll land early in the
	    morning  [16:58]
<jmondi> I've been able to get the last rooms at LF discount price there.. not
	 going to cancel and lose it :)
<dammsan> we have bed space for 5 people in 3 rooms
<pinchartl> dammsan: will you stay there ?
<dammsan> yeah i might do so
<dammsan> i heard morimoto-san might as well
<dammsan> in case we're not utilizing it fully anyway
<dammsan> so lunch with jinzai on monday  [16:59]
<dammsan> we are 6 ppl
<dammsan> when shall we ask to meet them at the jinzai office?  [17:00]
<dammsan> noon?
<pinchartl> first thing first
<dammsan> sure =)
<pinchartl> I propose starting the meeting at 9:00am
<dammsan> (thought i lost you =)
<neg> if the house is not fully used I might want to also stay there to be
      able to hangout with you guys. But if the beds are needed I'm just as
      fine making my way to the Hilton :-)
<pinchartl> to have time to discuss before meeting with Jinzai
<pinchartl> for those who are interested, we could meet earlier to have
	    breakfast  [17:01]
<pinchartl> I'm sure we can find something nearby
<jmondi> that's for Monday morning, right?  [17:02]
<pinchartl> yes
<dammsan> my only concern is rush hour train from odaiba
<pinchartl> good point
<jmondi> but you'll be there from Sunday
<pinchartl> dammsan: what do you recommend ?
<dammsan> that people staying at the meeting space go out for breakfast
<dammsan> and people from hilton take a taxi
<dammsan> and join when they arrive  [17:03]
<pinchartl> sounds good to me
<pinchartl> should we all have dinner together on Sunday evening ?
<dammsan> it might take between 20 and 40 minutes to get to the meeting space,
	  maybe even 1h worst case
<jmondi> lovely!  [17:04]
<dammsan> that sounds nice
<jmondi> Sunday dinner is fine!
<pinchartl> how about having dinner somewhere around the house ?
<pinchartl> so we can meet there first, people who stay there can drop their
	    luggage, and we can all go to dinner
<dammsan> yeah sure, i have no idea where but we can figure out something
<pinchartl> I'm sure there will be an interesting dinner place within a
	    reasonable distance from the hosue  [17:05]
<pinchartl> should we meet there at 18:00 ?
<dammsan> asakusa will have something most likely
<dammsan> if so i'll ask to check-in at 17:00  [17:06]
<dammsan> and wait for your guys there
<dammsan> morimoto: shall we go to the house together on sunday?
<morimoto> sure
<dammsan> i'll bring my sleeping bag in case everyone will stay at the place
								        [17:07]
<pinchartl> then lunch with Jinso at 12:00 on Monday seems good to me
<jmondi> neg: will you leave from Odaiba on Sunday afternoon? Should we test
	 our ability to get there by public transportations?
<dammsan> pinchartl: meeting at jinzai office at 12:00 and let jinzai decide
	  timing for lunch is ok? inayoshi-san said a brief meeting only
								        [17:08]
<pinchartl> dammsan: yes, sure
<dammsan> excellent, will let them know right away  [17:09]
<neg> jmondi: seems like a good plan
<pinchartl> I assume people will be interested in dinner on Monday evening
<pinchartl> going back to the hotel before dinner for those staying at the
	    Hilton might not be very convenient
<pinchartl> so should we wrap up not too late, let's say 18:30, and then head
	    to dinner ?  [17:10]
<kbingham> I presume taxis/uber are easy in Tokyo?
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<kbingham> but yes - 18:30 for dinner sounds reasonable  [17:11]
<pinchartl> kbingham: there are taxis all over the place. the hardest part is
	    to communicate your destination address :-)
<morimoto> kbingham: uber is not yet allowed in Japan
<kbingham> pinchartl: Thus the benefit of Uber :)
<kbingham> morimoto: Oh - then that's out !
<neg> kbingham: also data is super expensive (at least for my .se phone)
<pinchartl> as a general note, make sure you have cash with you, credit cards
	    are not accepted everywhere
<pinchartl> you probably want a local SIM card  [17:12]
<jmondi> something I would like to ask: do you recommend buying a sim card?
<jmondi> ah yes
<kbingham> ^ - When travelling I always get a local card :)
<pinchartl> you can buy one at the airport
<pinchartl> i paid ¥5500 for a 1GB SIM card last year)
<pinchartl> it might be possible to get cheaper ones in town  [17:13]
<pinchartl> if you can get a SIM card that also allows voice, it can be useful
	    to coordinate
<morimoto> (I'm very flexible, if people want to stay at meeting room, I can
	   go back to my house)  [17:14]
<pinchartl> but unless this has changed recently, don't bother with text
	    messages, they don't work across different operators
<pinchartl> so here's the tentative schedule
<uli___> ftr, last time i bought a sim card in japan, it would not work with
	 my dual-sim nokia phone
<pinchartl> Sunday  18:00: Meeting at the house, then heading out for dinner
<pinchartl> Monday  08:15: Breakfast for those staying at the house
<pinchartl> Monday  09:00: Multimedia group face-to-face meeting (we will wait
	    for everybody to arrive, rush hour is a valid excuse for being
	    late, but please try to not arrive too late)
<pinchartl> Monday  12:00: Visit to the Jinso office and lunch with them
<pinchartl> Monday  14:00: Multimedia group face-to-face meeting
<pinchartl> Tuesday 08:15: Breakfast for those staying at the house
<pinchartl> Tuesday 09:00: Multimedia group face-to-face meeting
<pinchartl> Monday  18:30: Dinner (TBD)
<pinchartl> Tuesday 12:00: Lunch (TBD)
<pinchartl> Tuesday 14:00: Multimedia group face-to-face meeting
<pinchartl> Tuesday 18:30: Dinner (TBD)
<pinchartl> we will try to minimize the time spent on discussions  [17:15]
<pinchartl> so as soon as we finish covering all topics
<pinchartl> we'll switch to hacking mode
<pinchartl> Morimoto-san and Magnus can bring us boards, but they need to know
	    what we need  [17:16]
<pinchartl> power supply should be provided too
<pinchartl> but please all bring the cables you need
<pinchartl> this includes ethernet and USB cables  [17:17]
<pinchartl> and whatever else you need for your work
<kbingham> Will we have wifi at the house?
<pinchartl> (likely HDMI for instance)
<pinchartl> kbingham: according to airbnb, yes
<pinchartl> the quality of the network is unknown
<pinchartl> worst case we'll use our phones as access points I assume  [17:18]
<morimoto> I can bring my WiMAX if you want
<pinchartl> morimoto: that would be very nice, just in case the wifi doesn't
	    work well
<morimoto> OK, will do>
<dammsan> good idea  [17:19]
<pinchartl> what hardware do you all need ?
<pinchartl> we will work on the multi-camera setup
<pinchartl> dammsan: is it feasible to bring that ?
<kbingham> A video source ...
<neg> I have two thingns I like to hack on 1. Integrate my VIN+CSI-2 with
      kbingham ADV7482 2. Take the 8-ch channel prototype for a real world
      spin and indentify more "problem" areas. So for that I assume a
      Salvator-X board and the 8-ch daughterboard is HW I would like dammsan
      and morimoto to bring :-)  [17:20]
<dammsan> good question
<dammsan> i guess no one else is bringing any hardware?
<morimoto> Unfortunately, bought 8ch camera are not yet arrive. So we have
	   Magnus's remote 8ch only
<jmondi> would like to see 8chan setup as well, and will bring a GR-Peach with
	 camera board and modules in case I have some time to work on it
<dammsan> ok i see
<pinchartl> dammsan: remote access is an option, but we might need to play
	    with the power supply jumper for the second max9286, which isn't
	    convenient if we can't access the board physically  [17:21]
<dammsan> i can bring the 8-ch setup
<dammsan> right
<pinchartl> dammsan: thank you
<dammsan> ok, 8-ch setup, check
<pinchartl> dammsan: I'll need the Salvator-X H3 ES2.0 board
<jmondi> dammsan: pinchartl: Migo-R? Is it still a thing?  [17:22]
<dammsan> ok, will bring
<morimoto> Now, we received XS !! I can bring it to meeting room
<pinchartl> morimoto: wow cool !
<dammsan> morimoto: that might help but we have no  board support code
<morimoto> Yes, that is issue :)
<dammsan> jmondi: is physical access heping?  [17:23]
<pinchartl> dammsan: I'd still like to try the Salvator-XS if time permits
<jmondi> actually while there there should be less lag than from Europe, so
	 not that much I guess
<pinchartl> morimoto: so if you could bring it, it would be nice
<jmondi> dammsan: ^
<dammsan> jmondi: i can bring it but i want to avoid removal/reinstall from
	  remove access rack unless it is really necessary  [17:24]
<pinchartl> neg: kbingham: what do you use to the VIN on Salvator-X as HDMI
	    and analog sources ?
<jmondi> dammsan: no worries
<kbingham> pinchartl: I have an Amazon Fire stick for the HDMI in - and a DVD
	   player for the CVBS in.  [17:25]
<kbingham> Something to replicate those video sources would be useful.
<pinchartl> kbingham: can you bring the amazon fire ?
<morimoto> pinchartl: OK will do
<neg> pinchartl: SNES and XBOX, but I bought a HDMI to CVBS adapter I'm
      planing to bring and hoping that will work as a video source from my
      laptop
<dammsan> jmondi: there is a photo of the migo-r here:  [17:26]
<dammsan>
	  https://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/slides/jls09/jls09_damm.pdf
<kbingham> pinchartl: I can ... I was going to leave it hooked on my board at
	   home ... but I could just leave the DVD player switched on instead.
								        [17:27]
<pinchartl> dammsan: would it be possible for you to bring an HDMI or VGA
	    screen ?
<neg> or maybe the hackday must include a trip to akihabara to buy snes clone
      to act as input source :-)
<pinchartl> neg: hehe :-)
<dammsan> go go go super potato
<pinchartl> kbingham: another option is to use a laptop output as an HDMI
	    source, but the ADV7482 has no EDID support yet as far as I know,
	    so I'm not sure whether that would work
<dammsan> maybe morimoto-san can bring the LED projector?
<pinchartl> neg: kbingham: any comment on that ?
<dammsan> (my projector that is in the renesas office)  [17:28]
<pinchartl> dammsan: a projector is a good idea
<kbingham> pinchartl: No  - there is no EDID support yet - unless we add it
	   while we're there :)
<pinchartl> does it have VGA, HDMI or both ?
<dammsan> that might serve well as HDMI output
<dammsan> both i think
<kbingham> pinchartl: I started to look at that - but have postponed as it
	   didn't seem a priority for upstreaming the driver.
<pinchartl> kbingham: that would be nice but it's not very urgent, although
	    it's showing to be a partial blocker (or at least a nuisance)
<dammsan> morimoto: can you check projector ports please?
<pinchartl> kbingham: now you know what you'll do in the plane ;-)
<neg> pinchartl: I agree that EDID support is a issue and a laptop HDMI wont
      work (at least not last time I tried) but I have high hopes on my
      HDMI-to-CVBS dongle could work :-)  [17:29]
<dammsan> (if you are in the renesas office)
<pinchartl> neg: yes, CVBS shouldn't care about EDID :-)
<kbingham> pinchartl: I'll need the business class upgrade for the flying
	   office then :) - I'll expense that you you yes ? :D
<pinchartl> kbingham: you don't have a private jet ? :-)
<kbingham> pinchartl: It's under repair currently  [17:30]
<pinchartl> :-)
<pinchartl> so I think hardware access is sorted out  [17:31]
<pinchartl> to summarize
<neg> also please bring local power cabe slitters :-)
<pinchartl> kbingham: Amazon Fire TV stick (HDMI source for VIN testing)
<pinchartl> dammsan: Salvator-X H3 ES1.1 + Multi-camera expansion board + 8
	    cameras, Salvator-X H3 ES2.0  [17:32]
<pinchartl> morimoto: LED projector, Salvator-XS
<pinchartl> neg: HDMI to CVBS converter (CVBS source for VIN testing)
<pinchartl> everybody: cables
<pinchartl> a power strip would be useful, yes  [17:33]
<pinchartl> Magnus or Morimoro-san, could you bring one ?
<morimoto> dammsan: it seems we lost your projector  [17:34]
<pinchartl> I'll bring one with euro plugs so Jacopo, Niklas and I won't need
	    separate power adapters
<morimoto> I can't find it here (= Renesas office)
<jmondi> pinchartl: thanks
<dammsan> morimoto: i saw komatsu-san using it some week ago
<morimoto> OK, will check
<dammsan> (maybe he was busy planning on how not to give us salvator-xs boards
	  early)  [17:35]
<pinchartl> then, moving on with the schedule, Wednesday-Friday will be
	    conference time. we can plan dinners, but I'm sure lots of
	    unexpected plan disruptions will occur, so it might not be worth
	    it starting with that now  [17:36]
<pinchartl> for Saturday
<pinchartl> I propose visiting Kamakura or Hakone
<morimoto> OK, projector has HDMI in, RGB in, VIDEO in, Audio in
<pinchartl> (assuming the weather will permit)
<pinchartl> morimoto: by RGB, do you mean VGA ?  [17:37]
<morimoto> Yes
<pinchartl> morimoto: perfect !
<dammsan> morimoto: thanks for checking, can you bring it?
<pinchartl> Morimoto-san and Magnus, would you be interested in joining us for
	    a day trip to Kamakura or Hakone on Saturday the 3rd ?
<morimoto> Do you need HDMI cable ?  [17:38]
<pinchartl> (or would you recommend avoiding those places ? :-))
<pinchartl> morimoto: I'll bring a VGA and an HDMI cable, but if there are
	    cables with the projector please take them, just in case
<morimoto> OK
<dammsan> pinchartl: i think i need one free day this weekend, so i'll pass
	  this time  [17:39]
<morimoto> In 3rd, I need to go to dentist. But I can adjust.
<morimoto> Then, I need to cancel it
<dammsan> oh, 3rd
<dammsan> that sounds nice
<dammsan> lets go together
<pinchartl> :-)
<pinchartl> morimoto: if you're not available it's fine, the trip is not
	    mandatory :-)
<pinchartl> but we would certainly be happy if you could join  [17:40]
<pinchartl> (however, please not that if the weather is really bad we might
	    need to change the plan)
<morimoto> OK, let's go together :)
<pinchartl> would you recommend Kamakura or Hakone ?
<morimoto> (I will cancel dentist)
<pinchartl> Kamakura is a bit closer, one hour away by regular train
<pinchartl> while Hakone is also one hour away, but by Shinkansen  [17:41]
<pinchartl> so if we book at the last minute to check the weather, the
	    Shinkansen might be full
<dammsan> both are nice i think
<pinchartl> (but at least we have a backup plan)
<morimoto> Kamakura has big Buddha. Hakone is On-sen place
<pinchartl> ok, I'll let you all check both places, and we'll decide later
<dammsan> shonan-enoshima is also nice
<morimoto> https://www.city.kamakura.kanagawa.jp/visitkamakura/en/index.html
<dammsan> it is in the same direction
<dammsan> sort of a beach place  [17:42]
<morimoto> https://www.hakone.or.jp/en/
<pinchartl> dammsan: thanks, I've added that to the list of proposals  [17:43]
<neg> on-sen and beach place, sounds like I shuld pack swiming gear :-)
<morimoto> neg: you can't use swiming gear at on-sen :)  [17:44]
<jmondi> both seems very nice! not sure what on-sen stands for :)
<pinchartl> neg: good point, please all pack a swimming suit in case we go to
	    the beach :-)
<pinchartl> jmondi: look it up or have the surprise ;-)
<jmondi> I'll go for the surprise!  [17:45]
<morimoto> http://www.hakone-english.com/
<pinchartl> dammsan: I had failed to see that Shonan-Enoshima is actually in
	    Kamakura :-)
<dammsan> it is also possible to go for an evening onsen visit from the
	  meeting space if you'd like
<dammsan> we can take a cab to tokyo dome area  [17:46]
<dammsan> but anyway
<dammsan> people with tattoos might have a hard time getting accepted
<dammsan> but apart from that anything should be fine
<pinchartl> dammsan: small tattoos can be covered with a band-aid, right ?
								        [17:47]
<dammsan> yeah probably
<jmondi> dammsan: really?
<dammsan> yeah
<dammsan> and "antisocial persons" are also not usually welcome  [17:48]
<dammsan> that would be me i guess =)
<jmondi> I might have problems then
<jmondi> ah crap, 2 problems then
<dammsan> hehe
<jmondi> how do they find out if you're an antisocial one?
<pinchartl> jmondi: tattoos are associated with the Yakuza and antisocial
	    behaviour in Japan  [17:49]
<dammsan> i guess they look you up on facebook
<dammsan> just kidding
<dammsan> =)
<jmondi> and if you're not on faebook, you're anti-social-network? Ok, I'll
	 stop  [17:50]
<pinchartl> jmondi:
	    http://www.kashiwaya.org/e/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tattoo_cover.jpg
<neg> if they did, I'd say it's the first valid reason I heard to get a
      facebook account :-)
<dammsan> =)
<dammsan> i'd say it is probably closer to "fax-book" than face book given how
	  old the rules are  [17:51]
<jmondi> pinchartl: no way :)
<pinchartl> jmondi: :-)
<pinchartl> anyway, I think that's it for today's meeting  [17:52]
<pinchartl> does anyone have another topic to discuss ?
<morimoto> 2nd plan ? http://www.senso-ji.jp/
<morimoto> http://www.meijijingu.or.jp/english/index.html  [17:53]
<neg> One short question, is anyone besides jmondi interessted in a joint
      travel from the Hilton to the House on Sunday?
<pinchartl> neg: I might, if I can't change my Hilton booking
<pinchartl> morimoto: do you mean on June the 2nd ?
<morimoto> http://daiba.ooedoonsen.jp/en/  [17:54]
<morimoto> pinchartl: no no. 
<kbingham> neg: Likewise here - although  [17:55]
<neg> pinchartl: Ok I send the same question to periperi and if you wish to
      join please respond to that :-)
<kbingham> I think I can easily cancel my sunday night at the hilton as it was
	   booked separately.
<dammsan> kbingham: nice to see that you've had your thinking cap on!! =)
<pinchartl> morimoto: ah, a backup plan then :-)
<morimoto> pinchartl: yes
<neg> pinchartl: also if you managed to find a way to alter your Hilton
      booking please let me know since I failed in this endevor  [17:56]
<pinchartl> neg: sure
<pinchartl> I'll land on Sunday morning  [17:57]
<dammsan> if you are unsure where to find more interesting place to spend your
	  time on than odaiba, feel free to have a look at narita city
<pinchartl> so I'll be looking for company for the day
<pinchartl> but let's discuss that separately
<kbingham> I would suggest we share phone numbers or some contact details for
	   when we are in Japan, but I guess we might all end up with a new
	   temporary number on arrival ?
<pinchartl> this brings us to the next topics
<jmondi> I guess so
<pinchartl> s/topics/topic/
<pinchartl> Topic 4. Next meeting
<pinchartl> The next meeting will be held face to face next week in Tōkyō, see
	    you there !
<pinchartl> uli___: thanks for the chromebook pictures  [17:58]
<uli___> welcome
<pinchartl> I propose adjourning this meeting
<pinchartl> does anyone second ?
<kbingham> Aye  [17:59]
<jmondi> yup
<neg> second
<dammsan> yeah
<pinchartl> meeting adjourned
<pinchartl> thank you all for attending
<neg> thanks all, have a nice day and see (most of) you soon  [18:00]
<kbingham> :) Yes  - Looking forward to it
<pinchartl> uli___: there's so many unsoldered components  [18:01]
<uli___> ?
<uli___> what are you referring to?
<pinchartl> the chromebook
<uli___> of course, but what components?
<pinchartl> not one in particular  [18:02]
<pinchartl> I'm also puzzled by the component outlines on the silk screen that
	    just encompass plain areas of copper
<uli___> ah, you mean the pads with nothing on them
<pinchartl> for the unsoldered components, yes  [18:03]
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<neg> I just though of one more Japan related question, if I print a address
      such as '2 Chome-4-3 Senzoku, Taitō-ku, Tōkyō-to 111-0031, Japan' on a
      piece of paper is it good enugh to hand to a taxi driver and expect to
      arrive at the correct location?  [18:06]
<pinchartl> neg: try to print it in Japanese  [18:07]
<pinchartl> or read it out with your best Japanese accent :-)
<jmondi> neg good question!
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<neg> ok thanks  [18:11]
<morimoto> neg: Maybe OK I think  [18:13]
<morimoto> but you can ask to driver before ride
<morimoto> If you can bring Map, it is best  [18:14]