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+09:24 < Marex> wsa: besides the news that I finally managed to extract all the relevant info out of Lorenzo ...
+09:24 < Marex> wsa: yet still, there's one last bit which he didn't answer fully and I have to read the PCIe spec for that
+09:24 < Marex> wsa: that is, can a register other than PMCSR put a card into D3hot and thus link into L1 ?
+09:24 < geertu> Marex: PCIe is core?
+09:24 < Marex> wsa: and if so, is that PCIe compliant configuration
+09:25 < Marex> geertu: PCIe is a bus :-)
+09:25 < geertu> wsa: I'll wait 5 more minutes?
+09:26 < wsa> Marex: I see. Thanks for keeping at it and diving into it.
+09:26 < wsa> geertu: ok
+09:26 < Marex> thing is, if PMCSR is the only register which can put a card into D3hot state, we can intercept such accesses in the PCIe code
+09:26 < Marex> if not, we're doomed and need the ATF fixup
+09:26 < wsa> understood
+09:26 < Marex> I am afraid it's the later ...
+09:26 < Marex> I mean, I can cook such a setup in an FPGA
+09:27 < Marex> the question really is, does PCIe spec permit this
+09:27 < Marex> and that neither me nor Lorenzo know ... and thus I need to read the spec again
+09:27 < wsa> and what does hardware in reality really do
+09:28 < Marex> wsa: what do you mean ? you can use setpci to write any register you want pretty much :)
+09:28 < Marex> wsa: I don't know if such a card with custom register to enter D3hot exists, but I know it can be created with relative ease ...
+09:28 < wsa> i mean specs are one thing, reality is another
+09:28 < wsa> not more than that...
+09:29 < Marex> wsa: there's too much hardware to know whether PMCSR is the only reg ever used to enter D3hot
+09:30 < Marex> wsa: but if the spec says it is, then the certification checks it and we only support certified PCIe hardware
+09:31 < wsa> we can do that
+09:31 < Marex> wsa: ... and we can ignore hardware which doesn't use PMCSR to enter the D3hot as non-compliant
+09:32 < damm> maybe non-compliant + non-compliant = success?
+09:32 < damm> its like xor
+09:32 < wsa> we only support non-compliant HW :D
+09:32 < damm> =)
+09:32 < geertu> damm: nah, it's like a CMOS gate with a floating input ;-)
+09:33 < Marex> damm: isn't that more multiplicative operation ?
+09:33 < wsa> Well, our HW semms broken, so if this is the best we can do, then OK
+09:34 < wsa> but once we got more information about what to do (ATF or not), we should report again to the HW team
+09:34 < damm> geertu: reminds me of sh7751 PCI power management
+09:34 < damm> Marex: you are right
+09:34 < wsa> ok, so now we are 5 minutes over time again :D
+09:35 < geertu> So let's start?
+09:35 < geertu> Welcome to today's Core Group Meeting!
+09:35 < geertu> Agenda:
+09:35 < geertu> 1. Status Updates
+09:35 < geertu> 2. Discussion Topics
+09:35 < geertu> Topic 1. Status updates
+09:36 < geertu> A) What have we done since last time:
+09:36 < geertu> Jacopo reviewed the RZ/N1 pinctrl driver, and discussed it with Phil
+09:36 < geertu> Edworthy.
+09:36 < geertu> Marek fixed various issues in U-Boot (DT memory node parsing, timer
+09:36 < geertu> frequency, reset), resubmitted the R-Car Gen2 PMIC quirk handling patch,
+09:36 < geertu> and continued working on fixing the PCIe L1 issue (ATF, JTAG, discussion
+09:36 < geertu> with Lorenzo).
+09:36 < geertu> Morimoto-san says BSP 3.7.0 will be handled using periupport, and has
+09:36 < geertu> shipped an Ebisu-4D to Magnus.
+09:36 < geertu> Morimoto-san and Shimoda-san provided BSP git commit description feedback
+09:36 < geertu> to the BSP team, to improve descriptions.
+09:36 < geertu> Shimoda-san says Renesas Vietnam started testing LTSI v4.14-rc1, and
+09:36 < geertu> discussed power management support in the IPMMU driver with Magnus.
+09:36 < geertu> Simon posted a backport of I2C fixes for v4.14-ltsi-rc2, and prepared a
+09:36 < geertu> backport of an MSIOF fix.
+09:36 < geertu> Wolfram worked on dma_params (subsystem, SYS-DMAC, SDHI-DMAC).
+09:36 < geertu> Geert revisited VFIO and QEMU platform device pass-through patches, 
+09:36 < geertu> reviewed lots of patches.  He also created two branches to assist GregKH
+09:36 < geertu> with releasing v4.14-ltsi-rc1, tested v4.14.70-ltsi, and reviewed rcar-i2c
+09:36 < geertu> fixes submitted for rc2. 
+09:38 < geertu> B) What we plan to do till next time:
+09:38 < geertu> Magnus will prepare a plan for IPMMU PM development.
+09:38 < geertu> Marek will continue workijg on the PCIe L1 issue.
+09:38 < geertu> Niklas will aggregate different SDHI clocks settings user in aid of trying
+09:38 < geertu> to solve the different setting between ES versions of H3.
+09:38 < geertu> Shimoda-san says Renesas Vietnam will continue testing LTSI v4.14-rc1 until
+09:38 < geertu> Sep 25th. He will submit v2 of the usb2.0 host/peripheral properties
+09:38 < geertu> update.
+09:38 < geertu> Geert will continue QEMU GPIO virtualization, handle SYSC and PFC errata,
+09:38 < geertu> and review fixes to be submitted for v4.14-ltsi-rc2.
+09:39 < geertu> C) Problems we have currently:
+09:39 < geertu> Marek has problems with "the" PCI controller ;-)
+09:39 < geertu> Geert reviewed too many(?) patches.
+09:39 < geertu> ---
+09:40 < geertu> Anything I missed?
+09:41 < Marex> geertu: I got U-Boot test suite running on Gen2 Porter :)
+09:41 < horms> I think it might be worth mentioning that there seem to be a lot of patches to review over the past few months. Not that this is a problem. But it does take some time fore review etc...
+09:42 < horms> s/fore/for/
+09:42 < geertu> It's the penalty to pay for the RZ/G marketing decisions...
+09:43 < geertu> Topic 2. Discussion Topics
+09:43 < horms> Yes, a lot of them relate to that work
+09:43 < geertu> We already had the PCIe stuff in the intermeeting period
+09:44 < wsa> I just hope that does get recognized inside Renesas when it comes to "why do we need an upstream team"...
+09:44 < damm> i'd like to report back about the process review
+09:45 < damm> whenever is a good time
+09:45 < geertu> wsa: AFAIK their original plan was to just use the existing compatible properties, and be done with it.
+09:45 < geertu> damm: Yes please
+09:46 < damm> so i sat down with the Rennesas guys and went over the chat log from earlier when pinchartl outlined stuff
+09:46 < damm> and basically there are no objections at all
+09:46 < damm> we had to zoom out quite a few times
+09:47 < damm> the focus was tool vs process
+09:47 < damm> to clarify focus and expected order from my side
+09:48 < damm> and it became evident that some expectation existed from Renesas side to use some tool for the upcoming 6 month period
+09:48 < pinchartl> did they define "some tool" ?
+09:48 < damm> well, i basically gave some home work to make a 6 month plan
+09:49 < damm> it should include teh following:
+09:49 < damm> - when to discuss process with laurent
+09:49 < damm> - which tool to use when
+09:49 < damm> - which input format when (bsp format changes)
+09:50 < damm> (also whenever new bsp releases are made those should be in there too)
+09:50 < damm> this to make it clear which tool to use when and what the expected output of the process discussion is
+09:51 < damm> i hope that morimoto-san can bring the plan to ELCE and discuss with pinchartl
+09:51 < damm> for further feedback
+09:51 < damm> and potential coutner prooposal
+09:51 < pinchartl> I hope that the plan will start with a process discussion :-)
+09:51 < damm> i asked to focus on this until next chat meeting
+09:52 < damm> and lets see where that takes us
+09:52 < damm> pinchartl: me too! =)
+09:52 < damm> that's it from my side
+09:54  * Marex afk , doctors' appointment , bye
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+09:54 < horms> do I understand correctly that there will be a follow-up discussion with Renesas before the next chat meeting?
+09:54 < damm> correct
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+09:55 < wsa> so, Renesas wants to use "the tool" for Q4Q1 already? And we discuss about it at ELCE end of October?
+09:55 < wsa> or did i get something wrong?
+09:55 < horms> Is there also a dialog in progress regarding the value/role of the upstream team?
+09:57 < damm> wsa: i want the plan to point out clarly which tool to use when
+09:57 < damm> wsa: if you have any preference feel free to share that
+09:57 < wsa> horms: I wonder about that, too. Especially since there I know of some good example recently where our good connections with upstream saved us some work (SCCB rework, irqless I2C transactions, DMA 32bit limitation)
+09:58 < damm> horms: not yet
+09:58 < pinchartl> damm: that's a very vague question...
+09:58 < damm> horms: at this point it is just focusing on the interface/format for the up port work
+09:58 < damm> so about "the tool"
+09:59 < horms> damm: feel free to drag me into any conversation if you think I can be of assistance
+09:59 < horms> But lets get back to the process/tool discussion - sorry for the noise
+09:59 < damm> horms: thanks
+09:59 < damm> np
+09:59 < damm> so the way the tool was developed and the expected process order from my (and pinchartl) seems to mismatchhhh
+10:00 < damm> so rolling in the tool urgently w/o a clear process seems rusing in the potentially wrong direction
+10:00 < wsa> damm: I am fine with your plan to point that out clearly. I just was confused about the dates
+10:00 < damm> ok
+10:00 < pinchartl> from my side the problem is clear. I can't comment on tooling if I'm not told what the process is, in *details*
+10:00 < damm> i want to clarify the expectation from each side
+10:01 < pinchartl> (to use an analogy everybody here should be able to understand, I can't review an implementation if I'm not told what API it implements)
+10:01 < damm> maybe we will see that we have different expectations =)
+10:01 < damm> pinchartl:  i'm with you
+10:02 < damm> i want to help clarify expectation from renesas side first
+10:02 < damm> then let you guys hash it out during ELCE
+10:02 < wsa> damm: same as horms, I'd like to be assistance for that discussion if you think I could be useful. (and now back to "the tool")
+10:02 < damm> while i am in hiding some place else
+10:03 < damm> wsa: so you should join pinchartl for the process discussion topic
+10:04 < damm> so i expect you guys to take the plan from renesas side and request minor updates or ask for major change with your own proposal if needed
+10:04 < damm> this to make sure we have a healthy discussion
+10:04 < damm> just accepting won't help anyone
+10:04 < wsa> damm: you mean at ELCE, sure thing
+10:05 < damm> (i don't expect that from pinchartl) =)
+10:05 < damm> wsa: yep
+10:05 < damm> is my expecation about this far ooff?
+10:06 < damm> (thats how it gets when you live in your PJs most of the time)
+10:06 < pinchartl> damm: if you expect me to make a major counter proposal, I may be able to live up to your expectations :-)
+10:06 < damm> haha
+10:06 < damm> i hope to give you some clear expectation to work with
+10:07 < damm> perhaps you can adjust timing of tool change etc
+10:07 < damm> depending on how much time you expect is needed for the process discussion
+10:08 < damm> so let me report back next chat meeting about the plan so far
+10:09 < pinchartl> sounds good to me
+10:09 < damm> any questions that i ducked?
+10:09 < damm> or new ones?
+10:10 < damm> pinchartl: do you have any expected frequency of broken out process discussions?
+10:10 < damm> for next 6 months
+10:11 < pinchartl> damm: not really. ideally we'll have one good discussion, decide on a plan, and move forward
+10:12 < damm> then do your best at ELCE timing and we can take minor increments from there?
+10:12 < damm> shall we do one more process discussion meeting via HO or similar before ELCE?
+10:13 < damm> maybe we can ponder a bit for now and book something next chat meeting?
+10:13 < pinchartl> I think you know my position. if there's more information to share, we can have another discussion, otherwise I don't think it would be very useful
+10:14 < damm> we will have some info in form of a plan next meeting
+10:15 < damm> my point is that when we discussed last time we only got to touch part of the subject
+10:15 < damm> but anyway
+10:15 < damm> no questions?
+10:16 < pinchartl> not from me
+10:16 < damm> ok shall we close the topic?
+10:16 < geertu> ok for now
+10:17 < damm> thanks
+10:18 < geertu> Anything else to discuss?
+10:19 < geertu> Thanks for joining, and have a nice continued day!