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+Multimedia-chat-meeting-2018-07-12
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+10:25 < pinchartl> welcome to the multimedia meeting
+10:25 < pinchartl> Topic 1. Status Check for the Multimedia Tasks
+10:25 < pinchartl> * Jacopo
+10:25 < pinchartl> Since last meeting:
+10:25 < pinchartl> - MT9V111 and GR-Peach audiocamera shield
+10:25 < pinchartl> [PATCH 0/2] media: i2c: mt9v111 sensor driver
+10:25 < pinchartl> [PATCH] ARM: dts: gr-peach: Add GR-Peach audiocamerashield support
+10:25 < pinchartl> - Respin of iommu patches that got lost
+10:25 < pinchartl> [RESEND 0/6] iommu: ipmmu-vmsa: Add more Gen3 SoCs support
+10:25 < pinchartl> - Got parallel input support for VIN merged
+10:25 < pinchartl> - New iteration of VIN endpoint properties refreshing
+10:25 < pinchartl> - Attend OSS-J and meet periperi people in Tokyo
+10:25 < pinchartl> - Complex Camera Workshop in Tokyo
+10:25 < pinchartl> Until next meeting: TBD
+10:25 < pinchartl> Issues and Blockers: None
+10:25 < pinchartl> jmondi: TBD stands for To Be Decided
+10:25 < pinchartl> you provided a long list of items you could work on
+10:26 < pinchartl> I propose discussing them after the status update
+10:26 < pinchartl> any comment ?
+10:26 < kbingham> pinchartl, (I believe Jacopo is on a plane)
+10:26 < pinchartl> oh, OK
+10:27 < pinchartl> indeed, he wrote that he wouldn't be able to attend in his e-mail
+10:27 < pinchartl> * Kieran
+10:27 < pinchartl> Since last meeting:
+10:27 < pinchartl> - Japan OSS/ALS
+10:27 < pinchartl> - Gave GMSL Talk
+10:27 < pinchartl> https://www.slideshare.net/KieranBingham/gmsl-in-linux
+10:27 < pinchartl> - Complex Camera Workshop in Tokyo
+10:27 < pinchartl> - ATF build and update for qemu-kvm
+10:27 < pinchartl> - Proposed GMSL talk for ELCE
+10:27 < pinchartl> - Proposed Fault Tolerant V4L2 for ELCE
+10:27 < pinchartl> Until next meeting:
+10:27 < pinchartl> - DU/Interlaced review actions
+10:27 < pinchartl> - Submit GMSL for Renesas-drivers
+10:27 < pinchartl> Issues and blockers: None
+10:27 < pinchartl> kbingham: any comment ?
+10:27 < kbingham> Aha - you've added the complex camera workshop :) thanks :)
+10:28 < kbingham> That looks good for me
+10:28 < pinchartl> you're welcome
+10:29 < pinchartl> * Laurent
+10:29 < pinchartl> Since last meeting:
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Display virtualization
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Japan OSS/ALS
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Gave talk about display virtualization at ALS
+10:29 < pinchartl> https://schd.ws/hosted_files/ossalsjp18/27/20180622-ossj.pdf
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Complex Camera Workshop in Tokyo
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Patch review
+10:29 < pinchartl> Until next meeting:
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Patch review
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Additional tasks preparation
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Revive the GMSL efforts
+10:29 < pinchartl> - Part-time vacation
+10:29 < pinchartl> Issues and blockers:
+10:29 < pinchartl> - No additional tasks scheduled yet for Q3.
+10:29 < pinchartl> any comment from anyone?
+10:29 < pinchartl> * Magnus:
+10:29 < pinchartl> Since last meeting: None
+10:29 < pinchartl> Until next meeting: None
+10:29 < pinchartl> Issues and blockers: None
+10:29 < pinchartl> * Morimoto-san
+10:29 < pinchartl> Since last meeting: None
+10:29 < pinchartl> Until next meeting: None
+10:29 < pinchartl> Issues and Blockers: None
+10:30 < pinchartl> dammsan: morimoto: any comment ?
+10:30 < morimoto> no
+10:31 < dammsan> ditto
+10:32 < pinchartl> * Niklas
+10:32 < pinchartl> Since last meeting:
+10:32 < pinchartl> - Summer VIN cleaning
+10:32 < pinchartl> Dug out and prepared batch test of patches held back until VIN was accepted. Will post in before next meeting. Mostly related to VIN SEQ_TB/BT support, additional formats and fixes to the ADV7180.
+10:32 < pinchartl> - Working on V4L subdev STD handling for MC-centric devices.
+10:32 < pinchartl> - Complex Camera Workshop in Tokyo.
+10:32 < pinchartl> Until next meeting:
+10:32 < pinchartl> - Keep testing and getting the held back patches out
+10:32 < pinchartl> - Try to work with Mauro and have him accept the subdev STD patch
+10:32 < pinchartl> - If GMSL efforts are stepped up by the team keep phusing for the VC patch set
+10:32 < pinchartl> Issues and blockers:
+10:32 < pinchartl> - Mauro refuse to understand the MC-centric use-cases
+10:32 < pinchartl> Please MM members read and respond to the thread '[PATCH v2 0/2] v4l: Add support for STD ioctls on subdev nodes'. We need this on Gen3 to be able to control the video standard of CVBS capture.
+10:32 < pinchartl> neg: any comment ?
+10:33 < neg> pinchartl: can you please step-up as MC maintainer ? ;-)
+10:33 < neg> other than thet no comment
+10:33 < pinchartl> neg: I would if Mauro let me. feel free to propose that :-)
+10:34 < pinchartl> * Ulrich
+10:34 < pinchartl> Since last meeting:
+10:34 < pinchartl> - Sent revised D3 DU support
+10:34 < pinchartl> Until next meeting: None
+10:34 < pinchartl> Issues and blockers: None
+10:34 < pinchartl> uli___: any comment ?
+10:34 < uli___> one thing about the d3 du
+10:34 < uli___> it does not support interlacing
+10:35 < uli___> no difference in the register layouts etc, so as long as it is not used
+10:35 < uli___> we're fine
+10:35 < uli___> but how can i make sure of that?
+10:35 < kbingham> uli___, As interlacing is not yet supported, I don't think it's an issue for you
+10:35 < uli___> that's good to hear :)
+10:35 < kbingham> But I will consider that on my DU/Interlacig series
+10:35 < uli___> nothing else from me
+10:35 < kbingham> (I plan to work through laurent's review comments on that this week)
+10:36 < pinchartl> thank you
+10:37 < pinchartl> anything to add before moving to the next topic (additional tasks) ?
+10:38 < neg> nothing from me
+10:39 < kbingham> nor me
+10:39 < pinchartl> Topic 2. Additional Multimedia Tasks for Q3
+10:39 < pinchartl> two additional tasks have been accepted for Q3
+10:39 < pinchartl> - R-Car Gen3 display output limitations
+10:40 < pinchartl> - D3/E3 LVDS PLL support
+10:40 < pinchartl> we now need to split them between all of us, and schedule them
+10:41 < pinchartl> Renesas has requested us to reduce the budget
+10:41 < pinchartl> by a 15, 20 or 25% amount depending on the phase of the moon
+10:42 < pinchartl> the latest information I've been given is that we should prepare for a 15-20% reduction
+10:42 < kbingham> I'm ok reducing some budget at the moment.
+10:42 < uli___> is that a grand total, or for add. tasks only?
+10:42 < dammsan> former
+10:42 < pinchartl> grant total, but it seems OK to apply the reduction to additional tasks only
+10:43 < pinchartl> that is, if you have 30 base + 30 additional, a 15% reduction is 9 days
+10:43 < pinchartl> so you would end up with 30 base + 21 additional
+10:43 < uli___> ok
+10:44 < horms> I am happy to donate time other than that required for LTSI
+10:44 < pinchartl> here are the current projections
+10:44 < pinchartl> Member  | Base + Add. | 15%          | 20%          | 25%
+10:44 < pinchartl> --------------------------------------------------------------------
+10:44 < pinchartl> Jacopo  | 33 + 15     | - 7.2  -> 5  | - 9.6 -> 10  | - 12    -> 10
+10:44 < pinchartl> Kieran  | 20 + 25     | - 6.75 -> 5  | - 9   -> 10  | - 11.25 -> 10
+10:44 < pinchartl> Laurent | 35 + 25     | - 9    -> 10 | - 12  -> 10  | - 15    -> 15
+10:44 < pinchartl> Niklas  | 20 + 10     | - 4.5  -> 5  | - 6   -> 5   | - 7.5   -> 10
+10:44 < pinchartl> Ulrich  | 35 + 25     | - 9    -> 10 | - 12  -> 10  | - 15    -> 15
+10:45 < pinchartl> with the number of days rounded to the nearest multiple of 5
+10:45 < geertu> ;-)
+10:46 < geertu> (about rounding)
+10:46 < pinchartl> I know :-)
+10:46 < pinchartl> if we prepare for 20%, we will be left with the following number of additional task days
+10:46 < pinchartl> Jacopo: 5
+10:46 < pinchartl> Kieran: 15
+10:46 < pinchartl> Laurent: 15
+10:46 < pinchartl> Niklas: 5
+10:46 < pinchartl> Ulrich: 15
+10:47 < pinchartl> total: 55
+10:48 < pinchartl> who has or plan to have additional tasks scheduled for the core and I/O groups ?
+10:48 < neg> My only plan is to have the 5 days I have for additional to happen in the second batch of Q3 if possible
+10:49 < pinchartl> s/plan/plans/
+10:49 < pinchartl> I plan to ask for scheduling everything for the second batch (unless someone insists on having to deliver earlier)
+10:49 < dammsan> seems good to me
+10:50 < pinchartl> uli___: do you have additional tasks planned for Q3 for core ? I think I recall memory autodetection ?
+10:50 < uli___> i intend to do that, but no talks about making that an add. task yet
+10:51 < kbingham> pinchartl, for me, if there is not enough work to go around in MM, I could go back to looking at virt-topics with core ... but I'd want to make sure I've got a good understanding of the task requirements for that ;)
+10:54 < pinchartl> sorry, I lost my internet connection
+10:54 < pinchartl> kbingham: I think we'll have enough work on the multimedia side :-)
+10:54 < pinchartl> uli___: geertu: how much time do you think will be needed by that ?
+10:56 < uli___> 10 days, if i can get an atf upstreaming waiver (that's unknown territory for me)
+10:56 < pinchartl> that would leave 5 days for multimedia then
+10:57 < pinchartl> I should get an E3 board which has the sasme LVDS PLL
+10:57 < pinchartl> so we could share the work between you and me
+10:58 < uli___> do you have an idea how to split that?
+10:58 < pinchartl> an easy way would be prototype + upstreaming
+10:58 < pinchartl> 5 days fits a prototype better than an upstreaming task
+10:58 < uli___> i would say
+10:59 < pinchartl> do you think that makes sense, or would you prefer a different arrangement ?
+10:59 < uli___> i think that could work
+11:00 < pinchartl> would you be able to schedule that for mid-August ? otherwise I'd have trouble finishing it for mid-September, as my work would depend on yours
+11:00 < uli___> would be ok
+11:01 < pinchartl> thank you. I'll write task proposals then
+11:01 < uli___> ok, thanks
+11:01 < pinchartl> so that covers us
+11:01 < pinchartl> for Jacopo, Kieran and Niklas, there are 25 days in total
+11:02 < pinchartl> I think that can be covered by the "R-Car Gen3 display output limitations" task
+11:02 < pinchartl> any opinion ?
+11:03 < neg> I'm not sure what's included by the output limitation task
+11:03 < kbingham> Are we thus going to just submit that as a task, and each work on it ?
+11:04 < pinchartl> kbingham: more or less, but as we need to split the work anyway, I think we should include that information in the task description
+11:04 < pinchartl> neg:
+11:04 < pinchartl> - R-Car Gen3 display output limitations
+11:04 < pinchartl> Display output on Gen3 platforms are subject to various resolution, pixel 
+11:04 < pinchartl> fomat and clock rate limitations depending on the SoC (or rather on the VSP, 
+11:04 < pinchartl> DU and internal encoders) and board. Few of these limitations are properly 
+11:04 < pinchartl> taken into account, which leads to random display output stability issues. For 
+11:04 < pinchartl> instance, 4k output isn't working properly, and parallel output (for VGA) 
+11:04 < pinchartl> pixel frequency limitations are not taken into account.
+11:04 < pinchartl> I would like to propose an additional task to fix all this. The goal is to go 
+11:04 < pinchartl> through the documentation for each SoC and board we support, as well as 
+11:04 < pinchartl> through the contents of the BSP, to identify limitations for each platform and 
+11:04 < pinchartl> make sure they are all taken into account in the appropriate drivers. The work 
+11:04 < pinchartl> isn't extremely difficult, but in some cases we will need to implement 
+11:04 < pinchartl> currently unimplemented operations (in particular in the DU driver to take 
+11:04 < pinchartl> pixel rate limits into account), or possibly to even extend frameworks 
+11:04 < pinchartl> (although I don't think that should be needed, but I haven't double-checked).
+11:06 < neg> pinchartl: thanks
+11:06 < pinchartl> another option would be to find a 5 days additional task related to VIN for you, and have Jacopo and Kieran handle the display side. there's plenty of work in VIN, that's not an issue, but I don't know if that could be accepted as an additional task
+11:06 < pinchartl> dammsan: any comment ?
+11:06 < dammsan> fine with me
+11:06 < neg> Only VIN task I see which is fit for add task is a UDS scaler prototype
+11:07 < pinchartl> dammsan: which option is fine with you ? :-) everybody working on display, or proposing a VIN additional task ?
+11:07 < pinchartl> neg: I'd like to move forward with the scaler too
+11:07 < pinchartl> I think it's important to prototype that in the not too distant future
+11:07 < dammsan> i'm ok either way, niklas working on vin makes sense to me
+11:07 < pinchartl> in order to plan for proper upstreaming
+11:07 < pinchartl> dammsan: thanks. it makes sense to me too
+11:08 < pinchartl> so should we go for a VIN scaler prototype task ?
+11:08 < neg> I would be fine working on the scaler
+11:09 < pinchartl> I'll propose that then, thanks
+11:09 < pinchartl> and split the DU work between  Kieran and Jacopo
+11:09 < neg> thank you
+11:09 < pinchartl> (who can't disagree as he's not here :-))
+11:09 < kbingham> Well I'll handle the 4k work as I have already bought the 4K TV :)
+11:10 < pinchartl> :-)
+11:10 < pinchartl> we'll decide how to split the work when Jacopo will be available
+11:10 < kbingham> What's the VGA issue?
+11:11 < neg> kbingham: that's selfish, I thin Jacopo who do not yet own a 4k tv should handle that ;-)
+11:11 < kbingham> (agreed, we can take further planning offline until Jacopo is here)
+11:11 < pinchartl> various SoCs have different maximum pixel clock limits, this affects VGA and should be taken into account when reporting supported modes to userspace
+11:11 < kbingham> neg, Well he could certainly test any patches if he needs a reason to expense a 4kTV :)
+11:12 < neg> kbingham: :-)
+11:12 < kbingham> pinchartl, Aha - ok I think I understand yes ;)
+11:14 < pinchartl> so I think this covers additional tasks for Q3
+11:14 < pinchartl> any question or comment ?
+11:14 < morimoto> quick question from me
+11:14 < morimoto> wsa_: pinchartl: About tool, are you OK v2 style ? It is assuming you uses your own editor.  I don't want to re-work script many times.  It still doesn't have bsp upport and report features
+11:14 < pinchartl> morimoto: is that an additional task ? :-)
+11:14 < morimoto> but you can see its behavior
+11:14 < morimoto> hehe :)
+11:14 < morimoto> Just question
+11:15 < pinchartl> I'll reply to your e-mails today or tomorrow. I'm sorry for the delay, I've been traveling a lot after our meeting in Tokyo
+11:15 < morimoto> OK
+11:15 < morimoto> but, your "I will do it in next week" never worked for me :)
+11:15 < morimoto> +1. do you think it will be useful if new tool can handle base/additional task days ?
+11:15 < wsa_> morimoto: I wanted to have a look later today
+11:15 < pinchartl> I know, that's why I said today or tomorrow, not next week :-)
+11:15 < morimoto> wsa_: thanks
+11:15 < pinchartl> I haven't had time to read the latest mails in the thread yet
+11:15 < morimoto> pinchartl: OK, thanks
+11:16 < morimoto> OK, no problem.
+11:16 < morimoto> I'm looking forward to see you respoce
+11:16 < morimoto> thanks, thats all from me
+11:16 < pinchartl> thank you
+11:16 < pinchartl> this leads us to
+11:16 < pinchartl> Topic 3. Q3 Development Schedule
+11:17 < pinchartl> Kieran and Jacopo have proposed tasks in their biweekly e-mail reports
+11:17 < pinchartl> for Kieran
+11:17 < pinchartl> s/for/from/
+11:17 < pinchartl>  * Media
+11:17 < pinchartl>     - GMSL prototype continuation
+11:17 < pinchartl>         - RDACM21
+11:17 < pinchartl>         - Fault redundant V4L2
+11:17 < pinchartl>     - DU
+11:17 < pinchartl>         - 4K support
+11:17 < pinchartl>     - VSP1
+11:17 < pinchartl>         - YUV420M formats support
+11:17 < pinchartl> the DU and VSP1 work is included in additional tasks
+11:18  * morimoto need to go back to my home
+11:18 < pinchartl> morimoto: thank you for attending
+11:18 < morimoto> thanks, bye
+11:18 < pinchartl> from Jacopo
+11:18 < pinchartl> - GMSL
+11:18 < pinchartl>  - Is there interest in RDACM21 which has a different image sensor? There's
+11:18 < pinchartl>  plenty of work there.
+11:18 < pinchartl>  - The kingfisher boards has GMSL and TI concurrent solution for remote
+11:18 < pinchartl>  camera/displays. Having one would be sweet but it is hardly available and
+11:18 < pinchartl>  expensive.
+11:18 < pinchartl>  - Driver sent upstream but not yet received feedback
+11:19 < pinchartl> - From the periperi upport list
+11:19 < pinchartl> (All commit reference from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/horms/renesas-bsp.git/)
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - EBISU needs VIN and display output support
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=5ee0043347b63d40cf088740fb07285d4178f82c
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=51b12d070f3ddc9bbf7232028e5d1571c95eb473
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - M3-W ULCB fixes: Z clock support, CPU idle
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=9c21d6d3ebacf11cb241e086902a2ecfe6e779d6
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=22fa2b4b9dd0f78e02f8d890a9cf98fda8757ad4
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=fe16e454b991dbd280a95ebe48aa595915d4610b
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - There is an LVDS panel driver, which I'm not sure in which board/expansion
+11:19 < pinchartl>     is. Does periperi Japan knows what's that for?
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=4e3cc360666b5c8cc52c47b5eb7b16a8ef80bd40
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - VIN: support for ARGB and NV12
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=9fb2f061c046d530adacd73946d00febf6027a81
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=1196884f275fb0f1a1cec04ce56a92453798292b
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - VIN and CSI-2 power management:
+11:19 < pinchartl>  commit/?id=1b1b3b1445fd5479cf0d8a43d69690dec5ecd854
+11:19 < pinchartl> - CEU related work
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - CEU interlaced support (need an analogue source connected to remote Migo-R)
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - Fabrizio Castro and Chris Patterson sent patches to add support for BT656 on OV7725, found on iWave platform. The board is expensive (1000€) so buying it is not an option. The patches can still be upstreamed if Chris and Fabrizio can test the rebased version.
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - MT9T112: this chip is integrated in some old SH boards with CEU. Jacopo has a camera module that can be connected to a Peach to board test the driver. He hasn't  been able to capture any image yet.
+11:19 < pinchartl>  - RZ/N pincontrol has been sent upstream and then abandoned. Is there interest in those chips ?
+11:19 < pinchartl> I'm not sure why Z clock support and CPU idle is there, it's not multimedia
+11:20 < pinchartl> so I'll remove that
+11:20 < kbingham> I would like to start some pressure on the fault redundant V4L2 topic, so if it's ok - I'll try to formulate a RFC patch / and or email thread to bring the topic up with Hans as base work.
+11:20 < pinchartl> I think that make sense
+11:21 < pinchartl> CEU is more or less unfunded
+11:21 < pinchartl> Jacopo seems to like it though
+11:21 < pinchartl> so if he can find a bit of time to spend on it, I have no issue
+11:21 < pinchartl> but I'd like to concentrate on two topics for the base time
+11:21 < pinchartl> - backlog reduction
+11:21 < pinchartl> this includes both our own backlog and the BSP patches
+11:21 < pinchartl> - GMSL
+11:22 < pinchartl> fault-tolerant V4L2 is part of that
+11:22 < pinchartl> any comment ?
+11:22 < geertu> FWIW, Armadillo also has an MT9T112. So if it works on Peach, I can test CEU on Armadillo.
+11:22 < geertu> s/CEU/the new CEU/
+11:22 < neg> I think the two focus areas for base are good
+11:23 < kbingham> Yes, I think having directed focus is definitely a postive
+11:23 < pinchartl> geertu: thanks for the offer
+11:23 < neg> kbingham: as a first step now that parallel input support is in media-tree would be to move the vl42 video device registration to VIN probe(), I'm sure Hans will react to that :-)
+11:24 < kbingham> neg, I think getting an initial reaction is a good starting point for the dicussion :)
+11:28 < pinchartl> regarding backlog reduction and GMSL, I propose to discuss tasks over e-mail as this meeting is already running late. I'll initiate the discussion
+11:28 < pinchartl> is that ok ?
+11:28 < kbingham> Yes.
+11:28 < neg> ok for me
+11:28 < pinchartl> thanks
+11:29 < pinchartl> next topic
+11:29 < pinchartl> Topic 4. Periperi Annual Meeting
+11:30 < pinchartl> lots of locations have been proposed since our last meeting in San Sebastian
+11:30 < pinchartl> it's now time to decide
+11:30 < pinchartl> Wolfram has proposed meeting in Paris right before or after Kernel Recipes
+11:31 < pinchartl> while a week under the sun in southern Europe would have been more tempting for me, I think his proposal makes
+11:31 < pinchartl> sense
+11:31 < pinchartl> Paris isn't as horrible as the Belgian countryside :-)
+11:31 < pinchartl> Magnus already mentioned he won't be able to attend due to a personal additional task
+11:32 < pinchartl> the real question, of course, is whether we'll have budget to organize this
+11:32 < pinchartl> while it hasn't been confirmed, I have repeatedly been told that we should move forward with planning
+11:32 < pinchartl> dammsan: is my understanding correct ?
+11:32 < dammsan> i think so
+11:33 < pinchartl> thank you
+11:33 < pinchartl> what's everybody's opinion about the proposed location and time ?
+11:34 < pinchartl> KR is Sep 26-28
+11:34 < dammsan> it is about time for me to wrap up, may i be excused?
+11:34 < Marex> pinchartl: I'll be speaking at ER, vaishali at KR I think
+11:34 < Marex> pinchartl: how does one register to KR , are the tickets available already ?
+11:34 < Marex> pinchartl: it'd suck to have to wait it out
+11:34 < kbingham> Marex, no I don't think tickets are available yet.
+11:35 < kbingham> But they go pretty fast - so it's best to register on the day they come out;.
+11:35 < Marex> kbingham: which is ... when ? :)
+11:35 < Marex> kbingham: happened to me last time, yeah
+11:35 < kbingham> Marex, Exactly.
+11:35 < kbingham> When :)
+11:36 < kbingham> The time I went - the release date was announced on twitter.
+11:36 < pinchartl> there's usually about 100 seats available
+11:36 < Marex> bleh
+11:36 < pinchartl> I'm not sure it would be fair taking 10% of that for our team...
+11:37 < pinchartl> I mean, if people want to attend, sure, but I don't think we should push everybody to attend just because we would meet before or after the conference
+11:37 < Marex> pinchartl: except I think many people do want to attend anyway
+11:37 < wsa_> I am only available before KR
+11:38 < pinchartl> Marex: has the schedule been decided already, or is it still worth proposing a talk ?
+11:38 < pinchartl> ER is Sep 24-25
+11:38 < Marex> pinchartl: they are announcing speakers
+11:39 < Marex> pinchartl: you can always try
+11:39 < pinchartl> so the best option would likely be to meet the week before the conference
+11:39 < pinchartl> Sep 17-21
+11:39 < pinchartl> is everybody available ?
+11:40 < kbingham> Yes here.
+11:40 < pinchartl> Marex: just for my information, when did you submit your talk proposal ?
+11:40 < geertu> I think it's doable
+11:40 < pinchartl> wsa_: how about you ?
+11:41 < wsa_> that week works for me
+11:41 < wsa_> we have a meeting scheduled on 20th anyhow ;)
+11:41 < pinchartl> :-)
+11:41 < neg> 17-21 looks OK in my calendar
+11:41 < uli___> good for me, too
+11:43 < Marex> pinchartl: they polled me for a talk in Feb or so
+11:43 < Marex> pinchartl: then I heard nothing for a long time, then they asked me for abstract a few days ago
+11:43 < Marex> 17-21 is I think OK for me
+11:43 < pinchartl> Marex: thanks
+11:43 < pinchartl> ok, please block those dates
+11:43 < pinchartl> and submit a travel plan to secure budget
+11:44 < pinchartl> with cost estimates for travel and accommodation
+11:44 < uli___> to whom?
+11:44 < wsa_> I assume we are going for the huge appartment thing again?
+11:44 < Marex> in Paris ? :)
+11:44 < Marex> I thought there were only small romantic apartments there
+11:44 < pinchartl> dammsan: as Morimoto-san isn't here, should he volunteer to handle this ? :-)
+11:45 < pinchartl> I think we can send him the travel plans
+11:45 < pinchartl> wsa_: I think it would make sense, both from a cost point of view and from a meeting infrastructure point of view
+11:45 < wsa_> Marex: if that's the case, I might have no time to work
+11:45 < wsa_> ;)
+11:45 < pinchartl> we will need two or three apartments I assume
+11:45 < Marex> pinchartl: +1
+11:46 < dammsan> good idea
+11:46 < dammsan> =)
+11:47  * vaishali wonders what happens in periperi annual meeting and if she is supposed to attend it. 
+11:47 < geertu> wsa_: How many small romantic apartments do you need? ;-)
+11:47 < pinchartl> 3 apartments = one per group leader ?
+11:49 < geertu> 162€ for the train to/from Paris
+11:49 < pinchartl> dammsan: could you be so kind to explain to vaishali what the annual meetings are ?
+11:49 < wsa_> geertu: depends a bit on how widespread polyamory is in Paris :)
+11:49 < neg> 3 group leaders, 3 apartments ... is this one of these TV realtiy shows where we compete and vote ppl to exile?
+11:50 < dammsan> i think neg summed it up pretty well =)
+11:50 < kbingham> Lol :)
+11:50 < geertu> vaishali: Pinchartl may ask you to bring a spoon...
+11:51 < marex-cloud> geertu: whatever happens in periperi annual meeting, stays in the meeting ... it's like Vegas ;-)
+11:51 < geertu> marex-cloud: Can you get married with Elvis?
+11:51 < pinchartl> vaishali: in a nutshell, we spend a week together to discuss yearly planning
+11:51 < marex-cloud> geertu: sssssssssssh
+11:51 < wsa_> We have something like a mixture of a co-working space and a hotel near where I live. Maybe something like this exists in Paris as well? I'll check
+11:51 < pinchartl> and possibly organize code camps on the side if time permits
+11:53 < neg> I think more code camp time is a good idea, the FOSDEM one was productive IMHO
+11:54 < pinchartl> neg: I agree with you
+11:54 < vaishali> pinchartl: Ok, code camps sounds like fun. As I'm coming for KR anyway, I think I can come a week early.
+11:54 < pinchartl> vaishali: perfect :-)
+11:54 < pinchartl> let's try to close the meeting, it's getting late
+11:54 < pinchartl> Topic 5. Next Meeting
+11:54 < pinchartl> two weeks from now
+11:54 < pinchartl> it has been agreed on already, so that's easy
+11:55 < pinchartl> that's all for me. is there anything else that anyone would like to discuss ?
+11:55 < kbingham> All good here!
+11:55 < neg> not from me, thanks all
+11:55 < marex-cloud> uli___: I've got to step out for a bit, but please recheck the ATF U-Boot dram thing
+11:55 < marex-cloud> All good here
+11:55 < wsa_> all fine here
+11:56 < pinchartl> uli___: dammsan: anything else for you ?
+11:56 < uli___> nope
+11:56 < marex-cloud> uli___: I'm happy to discuss that over IRC
+11:56 < pinchartl> in that case
+11:57 < pinchartl> I declare the meeting adjourned
+11:57 < pinchartl> thank you all for attending
+11:57 < pinchartl> have a nice day